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Real-world beekeeping happening in the Corn Belt

February 18, 2013

Randy Oliver visited Danny Slabaugh and Tim Ives all the way from Grass Valley, CA to better understand the affect of corn dust and pesticides on bees. He was overall impressed with what he found. Not only were Indiana beekeepers keeping bees alive amidst such challenging conditions, but they were doing it all naturally! Randy Oliver presents beekeeping through a biologists eyes. Visit his site at <a href='http://www.scientificbeekeeping.com' target='_new'>www.scientificbeekeeping.com</a>.

Randy Oliver visited Danny Slabaugh and Tim Ives all the way from Grass Valley, CA to better understand the affect of corn dust and pesticides on bees. He was overall impressed with what he found. Not only were Indiana beekeepers keeping bees alive amidst such challenging conditions, but they were doing it all naturally! Randy Oliver presents beekeeping through a biologists eyes. Visit his site at www.scientificbeekeeping.com.

Submitted by J. Morgan,
in collaboration with Tim Ives.
Also referencing the research
conducted by Randy Oliver

For some of us, the winter has been harder, colder and just not too kind... but some recent discussions with fellow beekeepers Jim Orem, Garry Reeves and Jim Farmer as we drove to the ISBA spring meeting reminded me that we're having a more tyical winter for our region than the previous couple.

While this should have been obvious to me, it did take a reminder. What else would explain coming out of last winter with all my hives-a-thriving, queens-a-laying and those rainbows over my hives? Everything lead to a bumper crop of honey, the biggest crop yet... and a lot of fun. It thrust me in to the farmers markets and set the rest of the summer in motion. Well, like many green and enthusiastic minds, it took a hard winter to put me back in place. I'm still picking through my deadouts. But, even now, I remind myself there's a purpose for everything, and my purpose is to take a harder look at what things went right, and which went wrong. I have been positioned to better understand what nature did, what I did... and how it all swirled together this winter.

For me, there's a ebb and flow between bookwork and fieldwork. After so much bookwork, I shut down. I just can't read another word about bees until I go out and play with them for a while. The 2012 season was this time for me. I went out and exhausted all I had in the field. I set up two new outyards, enjoyed the farmers markets with the surplus honey, prevented swarms, collected swarms, split hives, grew colonies and gave them to my new beekeeping friends. I built equipment, presented to cubscouts, talked about bees, wrote about bees, and even acquired two new "mentees." During this whirlwind adventure, I put my hands on things and I tried different things, with different hive set-ups, 8-frame, or 10-frame... and I watched the affects. I was using my smartphone to beam my hive inspections into spreadsheets to form a rudimentary basis for future decisons and maneuvering. If it sounds like a lot of work, it wasn't... for a computer guy, but my information is still scattered at best. In all cases, I made my best decisions and moved on.

Flying through hives of my own, and those of four mentees, I got a good fill, saw a lot of situations, and offered my "best" decisions to help people on things.

I be sure to remind my new beekeepers... "my instruction is my opinion, based on all I know about bees. Since learning about bees takes a lifetime, I surely don't know the half of it, so take my advice with salt and make your own best decisions in the end." I can offer tips, suggestions and quite a few funny stories. During this process, everyone learns something... and sometimes, they even learn what not to do. It's real-world beekeeping happening here in the corn belt.

On particularly challenging "stumpers," I call some mentors higher up the chain. In my darkest hour... doing my best at things and seeing the worst, it's enough to send a man back to school to delve in to some of that bookwork again! A wave of deadouts made it obvious to me, but this time, it's a mystery and a darn big one too. Somewhere, somehow, I missed something, but what? Several of my hives had very low populations at last check and I was concerned about them going into the winter. I battled beetles and suffered waves of dead bees in front of the hives earlier in the season. It's easy to blame arbitrary possibilities, but instead, I have been doing my homework on these hives since they were three year colonies, and a significant loss. I even sent some samples to the Beltsville Bee Lab.

This last Sat., Feb. 9, I took a ride with Jimmy O, Garry and Jim Farmer... the three gentlemen who I credit mostly for teaching me anything important about bees. True mentors, that continously offer an incredible spectrum of knowledge from different viewpoints and approaches. Every time I speak to one of them, I either learn something new... or question something I've been doing. These are the most useful experiences to a growing beekeeper. The true mentoring experience is alive and well here in SE Indiana.

Over a two-hour drive to Anderson, IN to attend the ISBA spring meeting, it was non-stop chatter talking about bees--my bees, their bees, bees in general, cool things about bees... and, those darn bees aren't reading the same books we are. We arrived at our destination an hour early, and I'll be darned, the one beekeeper I was looking forward to catching up with was there early too. Tim Ives, who is practicing all-natural techniques was ready to tell us all about it over breakfast. First, a little background on why I wanted to meet and talk to Tim.

My recent research preparing for SIBA's January bee school lead me to Randy Oliver, a biologist and a beekeeper who lives in Grass Valley, California. I read his daily posts on the BEE-L list, and it was his articles on Vitellogenin (Vg)-rich "fat bees" that lead me to more reading on his site. More on fat bees in a moment. After meeting and talking to Tim Ives about fat bees, it became clear to me that Tim was already privy to this research and enjoying the full benefit of Vg-rich fat bees in his apiary. In addition to "fat bee" studies, Randy Oliver was also studying the affects of corn planting and neonicotinoids on bees. He states "When I’m trying to figure something out, I generally look for the most extreme examples.  So I downloaded figures from the National Agricultural Statistics Service in order find out where in the U.S. that bees would be subjected to the most intense exposure to planting dust. I found that, incredibly, two out of every three square feet of soil in Iowa and Illinois is planted to either corn or soybeans! The vast majority of these two crops are planted with neonicotinoid-treated seed. Clearly, this would be ground zero for bee extinction."

Apparently, in California, such a study would not be practical since there's not nearly as much corn planting... nor the accompanying neonicotiniods as there are here in the corn belt. Randy ended up making a visit to the apiaries of Danny Slabaugh and Tim Ives and after meeting and talking to Danny and Tim, it seems Randy was surprised with what he found. He states...

"I can’t stop thinking about that annoying enigma—the successful beekeeping by Danny and Tim (and many others) in the midst of pesticide-laden fields of corn and soy. How could that be?"

Read Randy's paper on these findings here. Once you've read it, you will have arrived at the same place I am and will also want an opportunity to talk to Tim Ives! Could there be a correlation between Vg-rich bees and and a tolerance to pesticides? What about that state of excellency we talk about where the hive "takes care of iteself?" Tim's beekeeping represents what many of us in SIBA strive to do. Talking to Tim, he describes to me that putting anything un-natural into bee hives will only compromise something else. Like anything else, the hive has an ideal ecosystem that it will thrive in. Tim doesn't do any treatments to his hives (chemically, or naturally). He doesn't feed sugar of any kind during any part of the year. He doesn't use pollen substitutes of any kind nor does he do many inspections that include disrupting the brood chamber unless absolutely necessary. He does this right next to fields where the clothianidin, Poncho is being used, yet still manages to suffer minimal bee deaths as evidenced by incredibly strong hives. How?

Tim's secret is "fat bees" and Randy explains fat bees best in this article. Briefly, fat bees are young/nurse bees that produce valuable Vitellogenin, or "Vg". Vg has a high level of sugar, fat and protein and is manufactured only by nurse bees, then stored in the hypopharangeal gland in their head. Vg precursors provide the major "egg yolk proteins" that are a source of nutrients during early development of egg-laying vertebrates and invertebrates. What does this mean to us beekeepers? Quite simply, it's the fountain of youth for your bees, it's the "bee-knees" man! The nurse bees administer Vg to the queen, to regulate her egg-laying. They can tell her to speed up or slow down. They can administer Vg to mature adult bees (MABs) and extend their life! They can tell a forager that "we need more help in the hive" and pull a forager back in to become a hive bee again. In short, a hive rich with fat bees full of Vg, means a lot of things can start taking care of themselves... arguably, a better immunity to pesticides, a higher tolerance to mites and beetles, and a stronger precursor towards hygenics.

It still takes skill and effort to make hives full of fat bees. You are doing things, and not doing things with more intention. Tim's hives have 3 deep boxes for brood chambers, and it's common to have 10-18 frames of bood in its peak, and 10 and 12 supers on them during honey flows. He suggests that a minimum of three deeps is what is most natural for the bees. Consider a cut-out of a wall where the combs tend to be endless. Around now (late Feb. in our area) is when the average 2 hive body systems are on the verge of starvation, depending on the winter and level of food stores. 3 hive body systems, with enough stored honey are not facing starvation... and end up raising brood ealier. I saw this personally last Thurs (2/14) as I went through hives with Garry Reeves and saw his bees had already completed one brood cycle and were in to the second! We tipped up his candy board and saw a basketball-sized area of bees on the top frames. Tipping up the top hive body (#3, on top) showed a second basketball-sized area of bees on the top of box #2 in the middle. This suggests an already powerful cluster already in bee-manufacturing mode. I saw this in multiple 3 hive body systems of Garry's.

So, what Tim says, and what I've seen at Garry's, by having plenty of honey stores upon arriving at that critical time when the bees need it, you bolster an environment that gives you at least one brood cycle (maybe two) before the first major honey flow.

In Tim's area, March 11 on average, pollen starts coming in. He says a typical 2 hive body system will start laying at this time and over the next 2 brood cycles (21 days) a 2 hive body system will average 12 frames of brood, but a 3 hive body system will average 18 since it incurred an earlier cycle. That's 50% more brood in the 3 hive body system and by the end of April, a 3 hive body system can have 300% more bees versus a 2 hive body system. Of course... this is also requiring a healthy queen that is properly nourished and in her zone... laying approx. 2000-3000 eggs per day.

Now many of us question the difference of forage from area to area. While that certainly is true, consider the following. Tim says that most of the older beekeepers up his way would say their major flow doesn't start till June (clover and alfalfa). Tim disagrees and suggests that their foraging force might not yet be strong enough, early enough to get the forage that is available sooner. A maximum foraging force will collect maximum forage. In my personal beekeeping style, my spring management has always been squarely focused on maximizing egg-laying before the  locust bloom. Then, there's the weather variable which we'll save for another discussion.

Tim provided me the rough/average timing for the forage in his area (North of the SIBA area) and keep in mind ours will be slightly ahead of his, and doesn't include some forage, like the mint bloom. It's important to watch for the signs and become familiar with what is coming in and when in your immediate area. You'll be better equipped to understand what it means for your hives and what decisions you may need to make to accommodate.

Approx. bloom schedule near North Liberty, IN.

  • March 11, maple/willows
  • April, vast acreage of hensbit and purple deadnettle until the corn and beans are planted.
  • End of April, apple/various fruit trees and dandelions
  • May 20th, black locust, blackberries, and tulip popular shortly after.
  • Mid-June, clover and alfalfa
  • End of June, basswood
  • Begining July, catalpa
  • Mid-July, vast acreage of mint fields (St Joseph county is one of the largest mint producers in the nation)
  • End of July/First of Aug., soybean 
  • Mid-August, derth until goldenrod blooms end of August
  • Sept, various asters

To try and bring this around and summarize things, I offer you my "current" opinion. Within the corn belt, during a typical winter, we better have packed up a good, strong cluster of bees for overwintering and also make sure mites and beetles are in check.

Optimally, this strong cluster of bees will be comprised of young, nurse bees, "fat" bees. It takes getting that queen laying eggs as late in to the season as possible so that those fat bees are there... versus older MAB's that only eat the resources and die prematurely... leaving the queen unprotected.

All our efforts over the summer should lead to disease- and pest-free, strong hives at winterization. Opinions and techniques vary among all of us here. It takes, preventing swarms, watching your bottom boards, identifying pests... and dealing with them (naturally or chemically is another belief that varys among all of us). Of course ventilation, food stores and other cold weather preparations are important too... but (more and more) futile in the corn belt if you have a pest problem or old bees heading into winter.

At SIBA, we respect each others methods of beekeeping... accepting the fact that some use chemicals, or feed artificial supplements. We all strive for LIVE bees and care for them just as much as the other.

As a chemical-free beekeeper, my goal in this article, was to highlight natural beekeeping that is working... here, in the corn belt, where we're known as "ground zero for bee extinction." Beekeeping that is easier on the pocketbook... not needing to buy feed and medications. It's working for people like Tim Ives who has minimalized his actions with his bees to grow a colony of bees that tolerate an extreme environment and turn the heads of notable research authorities like Randy Oliver. It's the style of beekeeping that will be my focus for the 2013 season.

This is a lot to digest, I know... and I hope to report back over the coming season with thoughts, advice and opinions about making and managing fat bees. I hope you'll stop back. For now, I leave you with another great read from Randy Oliver... "Rules for Successful Beekeeping" and I wish everyone a successful 2013 season.

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Ray, there will always be disbelievers and BeeSource has plenty different types of people. To me, the effort to explain some things in beekeeping seems futile to me. After a while, you just don't have the energy to care. When something sounds crazy, vague, or too good to be true, that's when I go out and try it myself. Sure I'll have successes and failures, but keeping notes on what worked and what didn't accumulates to my personal method of beekeeping. There are people out there pushing the beekeeping envelope and both Mel and Tim are only two of those pioneers. I find watching and listening to be a great tool for understanding. For anyone whose ever spoken personally to Mel or Tim, it becomes clear really quick about what they are doing and how they are doing it. In all cases, it takes a goal (what are you trying to do) an then really paying attention to everything from timing, diligence in record-keeping, and observing what's going on in your direct area. I know that Tim Ives has some flows that we don't in our area and that is a key factor. There's a serious mint crop near him and his bees get to capitalize on that. We don't get it here. That's just one example. I consider Jim Orem and Garry Reeves two of the pioneers in our club that have achieved hives like Tim Ives. How did they do it? For me, it's not something I care to compel others to believe, but a challenge that I must conquer.
J. Morgan 2:36PM 05/08/13
Over on BeeSource, I've mentioned Tim Ives' approach to beekeeping. One somewhat obnoxious person there insists that Tim must be using some sort of system involving Mel Disselkoen's Tower of Power idea-- combining donor brood from a number of hives to get his big hives. I see no evidence of that, but it might help to get an eyewitness report. Can you speak to this guy's theory?
Ray Aldridge 1:19AM 05/07/13

Mountain Camp Method of Feeding Sugar

February 12, 2013

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The "Mountain Camp" method is simply the method of feeding dry sugar poured right on to paper that lays on the top of the frame bars... or on the screen of your candy board rim. You can lay newspaper on the top frames of your hive and add a super... or you can use a candy board body. The newspaper keeps the sugar from falling through.

Submitted by J. Morgan

We're big proponents of the candy board (those of us who use sugar) when winterizing a hive. A candy board is a wooden "rim" box about 1 or 2 inches deep designed to sit on top of a Langstroth hive body. View our video on how to make a candy board here. But briefly, the process of a candy board is to mix sugar with water, a little vinegar (as a mold inhibitor) and maybe even some honey bee healthy if you have some (or use the homemade essential oil recipe here) and then layer it in to the wooden candy board frame. Some people heat it and make it more in to a fondant, but we just wet it a little so that when it dries, it sticks together. We also add a pollen patty to the board before adding the sugar for the queen to use around Feb. when she starts laying again.

The "Mountain Camp" method of feeding got its name from a user using the name "Mountain Camp" on www.beesource.com (a large beekeeping discussion board). Like camping, you tend to simplify things as much as you can. The mountain camp method entails just pouring sugar directly on to some newspaper that sits on your top frames. It is simply a name for dry sugar feeding where we may otherwise add water or more effort to achieve the same effect.

Mountain Camp stated what some may call the obvious... Why go through all the work, when bees will eat sugar just poured in to the hive? Sugar is poured on to some paper to keep it from falling through. Over time, moisture will penetrate the sugar and harden it automatically. The method is easier and takes half the effort of making fondant. While others have surely used this method before, members of the Beesource community called it the "Mountain Camp Method" since this user was known for bringing it to light. The Mountain Camp Method of feeding provides all the same benefits of an overwintering hive as a candy board does while temperatures remain too cold for liquid feed.

Having additional pollen within the reach of the cluster also facilitates brood rearing when it is time. Check your sugar periodically when temperatures allow. The bees will eat a hole in the sugar pile closest to where they are. If it gets cold again, it is helpful to have that hole filled back in with sugar. We make up hardened sugar bricks to toss in... or you can lay some more paper in the hole and fill it back in with sugar. 

Here's some tips to remember

  • Don't allow newspaper to be exposed to the outside, beyond the hive body so moisture isn't wicked into the hive.
  • Don't use confectioner's/powdered sugar as it contains corn starch, and can cause dysentery.
  • Add pollen paties or dry pollen when setting up. Watch the candy board video to hear more of these details.
  • Don't open your hive on too cold of a day, and open it for a limited time only to reduce chilling the brood and disturbing the cluster.

If you have any additional thoughts to add, we'd love to hear them.

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Great article...and really awseome links for more info....THANK YOU!
Tim Conley 5:08PM 02/13/13

Dealing with Bee Hive Deaouts

February 02, 2013

Here's a pic of one of my deadouts with the queen in the center. I think the cluster of bees wasn't big enough to begin with going in to the winter. As to why... possibly not enough pollen. I ruled out starvation, moisture and mites. I already predicted this possibility with this one.

Here's a pic of one of my deadouts with the queen in the center. I think the cluster of bees wasn't big enough to begin with going in to the winter. As to why... possibly not enough pollen. I ruled out starvation, moisture and mites. I already predicted this possibility with this one.

Submitted by J. Morgan

I helped my dad with bees for a small period of time in the 80's... when I was a teenager, and I even had a hive of my own. I don't really count this as much experience but it was enough to make me want to pick it back up in 2009. Since then, I've never experienced my own deadout until this winter (2012-2013). One might suggest beginners luck, but I submit that from delving in, and getting as many mentor experiences as possible, along with doing a lot of reading, and writing about bees, I hit the ground running. It's significant to note that I was also miticide-free and doing as much "natural" beekeeping as possible. I did feed sugar as needed up until this last season... when I decided that I was going to let the bees fend for themselves. Whether or not this contributed to my deadouts is still undecided, as you will see.

On the last warm day, it was apparent to me that I lost several hives as only one hive had bees out flying. So, I cracked in to them to find what I expected... the sad sight that all beekeepers will eventually experience. All the bees, frozen in time... with the queen right there in the center... in each hive. There was still plenty of honey left to eat too, so what happened?

Here is a serious learning opportunity for any beekeeper. One must rise above discouragement, take the lumps and do a little detective work to find out what went wrong. At last hive check (before winter) I had concerns about a number of my hives. Particularly, the populations just weren't there. We like to see queens laying eggs later into the season and a good amount of bees when were taking supers off and preparing for winterization. Several of my hives just didn't have that. I think I was maybe short on a good pollen supply too. We like to know that weve been proactive in dealing with SHB (small hive beetle) and varroa but I was battling SHB in all my hives in one yard. However, at another yard, one hive whose populations were great, and had no beetles also became one of my deadouts! This is the video that follows. 

I recorded this deadout because it's tough to see the cause of this one. It wasn't starvation, it wasn't moisture/wet bees... I didn't suspect varroa (but this was the cause, as you'll see) There is another hive right next to this one doing fine.

I run screen bottoms on all my hives and have since 2009. Haven't lost any hives until now, so I don't think having these screens wide open was a contributor. I thought I OK on keeping varroa under control but still didn't rule it out. I'm sure there are mites in all my hives, but nothing suggesting the populations were enough to overrun. There looked to be traces of guanine on a few cell ceilings. We dusted probably 5 times over last season, once every 1-2 weeks apart and stopped to allow them to work on their winter cluster.

Since we don't know everything about CCD yet, I tend to research all I can before settling on this still-mysterious problem. The latest research on CCD suggests there is the presence of a virus and a disease. The presence of both means their doom. Here is SE Indiana, most of us don't move our hives to provide pollination services and our bees forage on much of the same stuff. We generally do what we can to keep the bees happy and healthy. Sure, we know there are pesticides used in our foraging areas, and since I can't test for virii or diseases, I'm sending samples to the Beltsville Bee Lab and will update back when I get results.

Take a look over this hive with me.

UPDATE 3-1-13: The results came back and it was varroa. No trace of nosema nor tracheal mites. Varroa was 10.5 per 100 bees! Proof that varroa can take them out right under your eyes!

UPDATE 4-12-13: Take a look at the alcohol washes I'm doing now to test deadouts for varroa.

 

Here's a great read from Randy Oliver with advice for new beekeepers and dealing with the obstacles of beekeeping.

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Thanks for posting your observations. This is the same thing I have seen here with about 30% of my production colonies. Almost identical to yours. Most of the time the queen is in the small cluster. Plenty of honey. The first of mine to die like this were in mid Nov and they had some uncapped brood still one to two frames away from the dead cluster. That indicates a population crash, within three weeks. And from my observation of the hives, that is how fast they went down. The cluster is so small a cold night kills them, not enough bees to stay in the honey that is just a little ways away. They freeze because they can't eat. That's why they are buried in the cells trying to get whatever they can. Most of mine also had plenty of pollen from the fall goldenrod and asters. We have no big agriculture here so I don't think pesticides have anything to do with it. I believe it is mites and the vectored virus. BTW, you will not see enough mites to determine your mite levels as I'm sure you are aware from Randy Oliver's discussions. You have to monitor with alcohol wash for best accuracy. I am treatment free. The only good thing is the losses eliminated less resistant bees from my yards. Location- Southwest VA mountains.
R Reid 3:53PM 03/06/13
Your guess about there not being enough bees/big enough cluster seems spot on. That was my guess on several of my hives... but NOT this one... unless that dies during the first cold snap. The bees were a spring swarm... and more specifically, a rather aggressive bunch of bees. That was the reason for re-queening them in the first place. I re-queened and then moved the hive to the park. More eggs than any other hive at several checks. I didn't have a mite count on this one and maybe should have. The hive was dusted three times prior to fall... and there was an acceptable number (few) mites on the board when I checked. I also normally see mites on bees, but didn't see any in this one. At the time, I was convinced it was fine.
J. Morgan 7:51PM 02/12/13
here's my guess: I think you had a major die off early in the fall/winter then the remaining small cluster tried to keep the queen alive. there just wasn't enough bees to keep the cluster warm and to move through the hive even though there might have been enough honey or sugar. what caused the major spring die off? were these old or young (summer or fall) bees that made it through the major die off? I think the bee lab may rule out poison because Jeff's bees made it through fall. Did you have a fall mite count?
Jim 7:35PM 02/12/13

Soapmaking for Beginners with Jan Jackson

January 21, 2013

Jan Jackson talks soapmaking to SIBA.

Jan Jackson talks soapmaking to SIBA.

Jan Jackson came and presented a lesson in soapmaking for beginners. Many in our group have been waiting for someone to come and show the basic process since several people had a concern over working with lye. Jan over-delivered by showing us all the basic equipment and the process she uses to make her goats milk soaps. She also brought in a good selection of her products for us to see how she packages it. For those of us who sell at farmers markets, this presentation was a hit!

Many questions were posed related to working with lye... and also the difference between regular lye and food-grade lye. It's important to use food-grade products in anything that will be applied to the skin, or consumed. Thanks to everyone who came for a lot of great questions!

After the presentation, many attendees purchased Jan's soaps to try out for themselves. If you missed it, then, please enjoy the video below!

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I'm sorry I missed it but, I am glad Jason filmed it and posted on our site. You did a terrific job! I hope you will do it again sometime.
Jim 9:36AM 02/01/13
I thought this demo went really well for my first time ever doing a demo on soap making. Hope this was helpful for everyone and also enjoyable. Enjoyed doing for the club. Thanks again and if I can help anyone in any way please feel free to just ask. Also hope everyone is enjoying their products. Thanks Jan
Jan 9:02AM 01/31/13

Larry Kemmerly from ISBA talks to SIBA about harvesting bee pollen

December 23, 2012

Larry Kemmerly from ISBA discusses processing bee pollen to SIBA.

Larry Kemmerly from ISBA discusses processing bee pollen to SIBA.

Larry Kemmerly from the Indiana State Beekeepers Association (ISBA) speaks to Southeast Indiana Beekeepers about collecting and processing pollen for consumption and sale at farmers markets. Larry collects and sells about 50 lbs of pollen per year. While Larry's methods are by no means the defacto, we asked him to explain how he does it, and he did in great detail. He also showed and described various types of pollen traps and answered our questions. Theories on pollen benefits include helping skin, cardio-vascular functions, prostate, allergy relief, and more. If you are interested in collecting pollen from your hives, watch the entire 45-minute presentation. A lot is covered. Larry graciously volunteered to make the drive out to us and there were 60mph winds (and snow flurries) outside that night. So our group passed the hat to pay for his gas and efforts.

Enjoy, and comment below!

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